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08-08-2005 2:57 PMEdger is offline Send an Email to Edger Search for Posts by Edger Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Not a specific war, but war in general and why it's so common in history.

I've thought about why there's war. Why one species would intentionally attack and kill off other members of its species. To see this, I look at the rest of the animal kingdom.

It comes down to space and resources.

When a tomcat invades another's territory there's usually a standoff. Why did the one tomcat invade anyway? He was probably looking for some resources. Resources for animals are food, shelter, and mates.

Perhaps the territory he wondered into had those resources. If he wants them, there'll be a fight. Whoever wins is the dominant one and gets the resources.

And this can be applied to humans as well, can't it?

Empires want more places for their resources. But as humans, we have many other resources we'd like to have. Fuel, metals, better tasting food and goods. People, for breeding or working.


Sometimes I see how war can be necessary. If it's for the basic needs, and they're needed to support the nation. Food, shelter, reproduction.

Other times, I cannot see it justified. Racism, religion, etc. But perhaps if you look at things deeper you'll see something else.


Just made me think... Another thing that's been in my head lately. If other animals don't do it, why do we?

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08-08-2005 5:04 PMMal is offline Search for Posts by Mal Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Check out Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes.
10-19-2009 10:47 PMMoose is offline Search for Posts by Moose Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

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Another thing that's been in my head lately. If other animals don't do it, why do we?


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10-19-2009 10:51 PMStruggler is offline Send an Email to Struggler Search for Posts by Struggler Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Dude Edger haven't you ever played SimAnt? Insects at least have wars and that's concrete proof

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10-19-2009 10:52 PMMoose is offline Search for Posts by Moose Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

But ants don't use heavy explosives.
10-19-2009 10:53 PMStruggler is offline Send an Email to Struggler Search for Posts by Struggler Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

They would if they knew how

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10-19-2009 10:59 PMMoose is offline Search for Posts by Moose Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

There's tiny missile silos in their ant hills. You know there are.
10-19-2009 11:18 PMStruggler is offline Send an Email to Struggler Search for Posts by Struggler Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Oh hell yeah

And bunkers, I mean this is why they're underground

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10-20-2009 8:38 AMRussian Agent is offline Send an Email to Russian Agent Search for Posts by Russian Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Pretty sure science has proven that "animals don't have wars/conflicts over resources" thing total bullshit and the only people who say it are high.
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Except mormons get squeamish over coffee much less jazz cigarettes. so ed doesn't even have that excuse.

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10-20-2009 8:44 AMDiglett is offline Send an Email to Diglett Search for Posts by Diglett Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Do people still think this, though? I mean animals not fighting other animals?
10-20-2009 2:08 PMMoose is offline Search for Posts by Moose Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Animals fight other animals constantly. It's just rarely large-scale combat.
10-20-2009 2:17 PMMav is offline Send an Email to Mav Homepage of Mav Search for Posts by Mav Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

which is more a result of humanity's talent for large-scale organization than anything else.

if wolves could do similarly, you know they'd be carpet bombing the fuck out of each other to get those last delicious sheep.

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10-21-2009 1:25 PMRussian Agent is offline Send an Email to Russian Agent Search for Posts by Russian Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Essentially all of this "animals don't have war" thing is indicative of a messed up kind of self-loathing misanthropy. I mean, it goes so far beyond normal, healty self-loathing and neurosis that it's in a different ballpark.

Where I'm heading with this is that the only procedure that I feel can reliably fix this and instill a proper sense of self-preservation and get one back in touch with the so called 'reptilian' complex of the brain is intensive shock therapy and near fatal doses of sodium thiopental directly into the spinal fluid. Just like a damn truckload of barbituates right up in there.

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Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

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10-21-2009 7:59 PMAlabastard is offline Send an Email to Alabastard Search for Posts by Alabastard Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Or just ignore em? Ahahaha.
10-22-2009 1:57 PMRussian Agent is offline Send an Email to Russian Agent Search for Posts by Russian Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Mav:
which is more a result of humanity's talent for large-scale organization than anything else.

if wolves could do similarly, you know they'd be carpet bombing the fuck out of each other to get those last delicious sheep.


Again I have no memory of where I heard this, or if articles exist, but I could swear I've seen articles that involve warring...the fuck is a gaggle of monkeys called (hate monkeys), a tribe or...a pride..or something.

But anyway I could swear I've seen some observation from a naturalist that when they fought over land/food/the shit animals fight over they almost used some level of tactics in doing it.

So yeah, exactly what you said. This 'nature is peace and harmony' crap..stop listening to the transcendentalists. You wanna talk about over-privilaged, whiny motherfuckers? They refined that down to a science.

Thoreau was the first hipster. Walden was a hoax, he was living pretty much down the street from mommy and daddy and would continually go over there for dinner parties with the city fathers and such.

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Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

10-22-2009 2:02 PMRussian Agent is offline Send an Email to Russian Agent Search for Posts by Russian Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

If Emily Dickinson were alive right now, hol would be posting links to her deviantart for us to laugh at.

Everything Whitman wrote that didn't involve the civil war was horseshit, "When I heard the learn'd astronomer" is, frankly, downright loathsome and offensive in how anti-intellectual it is.

X was going off in some thread about how philosophers are "over-privilaged white kids"? Dude never ever read anything the transcendentalists wrote or you will die of an aneurysm, because these motherfuckers are exactly the thing you get so pissed about frequently.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

10-22-2009 4:34 PMAlabastard is offline Send an Email to Alabastard Search for Posts by Alabastard Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

To be perfectly fair, anti-intellectualism is not a terrible thing... at least not in this climate where intellectualism has somehow become psuedo-intellectualism.
10-22-2009 5:20 PMRussian Agent is offline Send an Email to Russian Agent Search for Posts by Russian Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Jay Sherman:
To be perfectly fair, anti-intellectualism is not a terrible thing... at least not in this climate where intellectualism has somehow become psuedo-intellectualism.


The poem is pretty much this:

"Where do you get off trying to 'understand' the cosmos, being all scientific, instead of just looking maaaan"

It pretty much implies you should just blankly stare at things and if you try to understand them you're killing the beauty or some horseshit.

I'm sure someone will now pop in and go "NAH IT DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE TRANSCENDENTALISTS WERE (etc)". Awful poems, deficient people.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

10-22-2009 5:25 PMRussian Agent is offline Send an Email to Russian Agent Search for Posts by Russian Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Also I'm not 100% on what the hell your point is exactly.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

10-22-2009 5:39 PMAlabastard is offline Send an Email to Alabastard Search for Posts by Alabastard Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Oh, well that poem is Durrrr....

I'm just saying that opposing the intellectual establishment is not a terrible thing. By that I mean philosophers, think-tanks, etc etc.
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