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05-14-2017 4:00 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by The Greatest of All Time:
I like Idris Elba.. first season of Luther especially he showed a wide range of emotions


I was gonna say, in fairness the script for prometheus was that bad to the point it pretty much dragged everybody down.

Then again I haven't seen anything else with nomi whateverthefuck in it so maybe she's always bad.

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Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 4:48 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Yeah.

The most recent one (at least that I can think of, or the last one I saw him in) was the villain in that last star trek movie, beyond. But yeah he's been in several.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 5:15 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

The most recent one was good I thought.

That wrath of khan remake....oh look the circle comes back to prometheus (damon lindelof as a writer on both, specifically)

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 5:20 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Struggler:
Blade Runner 2049


Rich Evans Auditions for Blade Runner 2049

Also I'm just gonna call it, the end of the blade runner cash in sequel film is gonna be the ryan gosling character is overtly stated to be a replicant and that will be used as an excuse for why they seem so wooden and dull in the trailer.

Or that's what you'll be told by people defending it (it's probably gonna suck yeah. If Harrison Ford is in it he'll likely phone in the performance, and then it'll just be "BUT SEE DECKARD WAS A ROBOT TOOOOOO")

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 5:27 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

That's disappointing about "Arrival" though (wait we are talking about the recent one, not that shitty charlie sheen sci-fi movie from like 1990 something which was "The arrival") cause I'd been meaning to eventually watch that.

...I probably still will, the premise is at least interesting.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 6:29 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Yeah Pacific Rim was...well that was Guillermo Del Toro basically doing a love letter to big japanese monsters and mecha stuff.

I liked pacific rim for what it was, but it was very much a genre thing with the influences worn on its sleeve (which is really most of Del Toro's stuff from what I can tell, not that this is a bad thing). Probably why I didn't bring it up as an example of acting.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 9:19 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Struggler:
Admittedly I don't bother with comicbook movies


Sooo that wouldn't be a good counterpoint.


Also we're getting off topic here. Hol has a point, I think it's both the quality of acting and the quality of scripts.

Now to get further off topic, I wanna badmouth Sony a bunch.

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There was even that Bill Murray scene in the new Ghostbusters...


The only way Paul Feig and Sony Pictures are going to go away is if everybody stops acknowledging them.

If we all just collectively forget and ignore the ghostbusters remake it'll mean their plan of a franchise (which if you've read the leaked Sony emails they desperately want) it'll just disappear. Unless they get desperate and dan akroyd drinks too much more of his skull vodka, then they'll try it again aaaaand...you just ignore it again.

Sony Pictures trying to get a franchise is sort of the inverse of bringing back tinkerbell through wishing it in peter pan. If we all use our powers of ignoring it, it'll die.

PS I think Sony may finally lose spider man. If history is any guide, they'll go way too far and fuck up the sequel to this one that is coming out. Making them 0 for 3 attempts. Then Disney/Marvel can probably get full ownership of the rights. So there's another tentpole franchise gone. Then maybe they can abandon this fixation.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-14-2017 9:33 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Edger:
But when I do watch classics, I tend to find them a challenge to watch. The effects, atmosphere or acting are junt, blah. But at least they aren't blue/orange everywhere.

I think one thing you're noticing is that these days, especially the movies you mentioned, so much of the acting is done in front of green screens. Actors are wooden because they're talking at nothing, or nome dude in a body suit.


This is exactly the problem. Acting, characterization in the writing, this is all being put aside in favor of "BUT DA GWAFIX" or "DOES THIS SCRIPT MAKE A BUZZFEED WRITER NOT BE UPSET" or "WILL IT PLAY TO EVERY CONCEIVABLE DEMOGRAPHIC BOTH DOMESTICALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY SO THE QUARTERLY PROFITS WILL WORK" or "IS THERE A TOY OF IT WE COULD SELL?!"

That's not how you fucking make a movie. "At least they aren't blue/orange eveywhere". GOOD, THAT'S GOOD IF ITS NOT JUST THE SAME PABLUM.

And yeah. I know it was always like that to an extent. But it's worse now because everything is hyper focus grouped even more due to the foreign markets, and also the studios know that theaters as an industry are fucking dying.

Why do you think they brought back the "3d" gimmick they tried back when televisions were becoming common, or again when VHS systems were becoming common, and now when streaming is becoming common.

They are dumbing it down, and they are aiming at the broadest lowest common denominator, and they are altering the product so nobody ever gets upset or challenged or thinks. This is probably a dying industry. With some exceptions like the really successful industry giants.

But this is why I keep pointing to the Sony Pictures emails when this stuff comes up, that is an example of a studio that seems to be knocking on death's door and desperately clamoring to exist in a changing landscape.

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These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-15-2017 12:39 AMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Edger:
Sony won't lose Spider-Man, they've already announced that after Spider-Man Homecoming's sequel they're going to make their own Spidey movies again and they're already working on a rated R Venom movie.


Remember when they were super, totally, unquestionably gonna do a movie just about the villains, and they were setting up the last two Spider Man films as the beginning of a franchise?

That needless shot of like the doctor octopus arms and vulture wings and paul giamatti as the rhino outta nowhere was the implication, they did not do that as a winking nod..that's "we need to compete with the other big budget comic movies"

That worked out so well they had to reboot the whole thing and cut a deal with another studio that the IP they technically own could show up in another movie.

If Homecoming and this third attempt at a franchise doesn't work, then Marvel/Disney may have them dead to rights in terms of re-negotiation. And you know they are thinking of it, because the contracts are starting to expire for the people in the avengers movies and if they could get spider man back as a property and a younger less expensive actor, it'd be a win-win for them.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-15-2017 2:56 AMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Actually they were sort of planning the deal with Marvel prior to that stuff getting leaked, that's one of the things that was mentioned in the leaked internal memos if I recall.

You are probably correct about them not ceding the IP completely (unless, as I said, they really ended up against a wall where it could be bought out) because they are desperate to monetize SOMETHING they own and use it as a tentpole.

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there's way more Spider-Man characters than just Spidey.


Yeah but outside of spider-man, venom, or doctor octopus nothing thats really all that marketable.

The idea of a Venom horror movie actually isn't bad, you could do something interesting with the idea of the symbiote being this weird codependent alien, that's probably what they should have done from the get go if they were so hellbent on shoehorning it in.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-17-2017 5:26 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Lord of the rings was like a mix of green screens and in-camera perspective tricks on physical sets with actual actors, among other things though.

The ultimate example, while it may seem convenient and needless to dredge up, would probably be Lucas on the prequels which were...from what I can tell, almost entirely green screen sets.

And after that as the technology has been further refined/likely decreased in price/become more available the torch was carried further and further to this whole notion of "we'll do it in post" applied to things you'd actually have to...you know...do when filming.

But yeah this is another angle to the problem. Don't misconstrue that as a counterpoint, just that lord of the rings is far from the most egregious offender.

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I maybe would have agreed before Legion came out.


Legion is so very tangentially connected to the source material though. It's basically doing its own thing with some nods, near as I can tell.

Or you're suggesting Noah Hawley should write/direct one of those proposed movies sony is discussing. At which point as long as there's a restraining order preventing the studio from interfering....yes lets do that. Please.

In fact just go with that, yeah, I wanna see that now.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-17-2017 5:31 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Struggler:
How can Deckard be a robot if he's that old? Robots die quick.


Since I'm assuming the laziest route with this is gonna be the one that happens.

Deckard is going to somehow be like the first replicant that can age...so basically doing the "yeah he was a replicant" angle but also explaining any counterpoint with "but he was a new kind of them", so they'll try to weasel it by solving but not solving the whole anonymity of the ending across the various cuts, because they still owned the rights to the IP/Harrison Ford's check cleared felt that was indeed the correct ending.

And gosling's character will somehow be connected to this.

Because doesn't the trailer end on some line presented ominously like "You are special"

(I'm not going down the whole rabbit hole of arguing the ending, if for no other reason than it's been a while since I've watched blade runner anyways)

Like it's not unimaginable they would try for some kind of oddball hybrid of both theories being true. This is the actual synopsis:
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A new blade runner, LAPD Officer K (Ryan Gosling), discovers a dark secret that might bring an end to humanity. K's discovery leads him to find Rick Deckard (Harrison Ford), a former blade runner who disappeared thirty years ago.


The dark secret is replicants that can age, isn't it.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-17-2017 6:23 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Nobody's gonna nitpick it. Or maybe explained, and this will reveal a new layer to the story that was being told.

Wait are you implying they only wanted to use a recognizable IP that they owned and had been discussed for a while with several writers and directors attached and the current release may have merely been a studio getting all the necessary ducks in a row for it, rather than the script or anything meriting it this time?

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-18-2017 5:54 PMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Edger:
I maybe would have agreed before Legion came out.


I would, again only conditionally recommend the show Legion to someone who follows comics. Just because like the cinematography and the acting and the way they do stuff was interesting.

Do not go into it expecting a faithful adaptation of that comic book. There's no whizz-bang superheroics. They never even call the protagonist legion, if I recall.

I'm not saying it's "too smart" or anything. Just that it's...very much it's own thing. Non comic readers like myself can appreciate it, people who know what and who legion is will have enough winks, it's just good. But it is not an adaptation.

edit: This started as a movie thread, sorry it became about a tv show. Except not sorry because television shows are doing shit that movies seem to shy away from nowadays. "Hannibal", is the one we all watched.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

05-19-2017 2:54 AMEnclave Agent is offline Send an Email to Enclave Agent Search for Posts by Enclave Agent Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Post       Go to the top of this page

Quote by Edger:
All I'm saying is that even those lesser-known IPs have been shown to be very successful, even if the adaptation is very loose, so they wouldn't want to let go of those rights.

And we have more shows coming, like the Gifted and The Runaways, so...


Yeah if it's good.

Something...by which I mean everything...tells me that Sony is not going to do some creative engaging spin on Venom or whatever the way a competent show-runner who was given a lot of leeway by the network and rights owners will.

Also we're comparing a long form narrative television show to a probably 90 to 130 maximum minute movie that, by economic necessity, has to recoup or exceed it's budget and play to demographics that studio people gear it to.

Domestically and abroad...specifically abroad because frankly that's where the money is lately. Dumb it down and make it flashy and that'll translate to everybody (or pander to the chinese. You need the money from that market)

So all of those factors will be primary and the script, acting, direction is not gonna be the immediacy.

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JE SUIS CHARLIE

Social Credit score: Negative 1997


These are not fairy tales, or myths. This place of power is tangible, and as such, can be found, entered, and perhaps, utilized in some fashion..

Quote by Nina Fortner (regarding faking one's death):
Been there done that. No one would believe it this time.

Quote by Alizarin:
holy fuck i am ready to burn it all down. all of it.

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